jowi Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 After 4 years my APC UPS BR900 battery was done, so i ordered a new one and replaced it. Now, the battery states 'charge for at least 16h before use' but... how do i charge it? Just place it in the UPS and turn it on without any devices attached? Can't find anything about charging a new battery in the manual? Quote Link to comment
wgstarks Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Just turn on the ups. Attach your devices after the battery reaches a full charge. Quote Link to comment
jowi Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 It's been switched on for about an hour now, and i just saw the first notch of the battery appearing, so it is charging Quote Link to comment
StevenD Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 It's been switched on for about an hour now, and i just saw the first notch of the battery appearing, so it is charging Most UPSs are quite slow to recharge. Quote Link to comment
mr-hexen Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 It's been switched on for about an hour now, and i just saw the first notch of the battery appearing, so it is charging Most UPSs are quite slow to recharge. By design i think too.. better for heat (or lack of) and battery longevity. Quote Link to comment
jowi Posted March 27, 2015 Author Share Posted March 27, 2015 Strange. It charged for over 24 hours, its at 100%. Normally, it showed about 40-50 minutes of battery time with unraid running, now... just 4 minutes? How is that possible? Load is 22%, 123W. Model is a BR900. And no, its not running on battery but on mains. Quote Link to comment
jowi Posted March 27, 2015 Author Share Posted March 27, 2015 Solved... turns out you need to replace the battery date in the UPS itself after the battery is changed ... This is done through a terminal session (over rs232!!!) on older UPS's or by performing some complex lenghty idiotic battery calibration procedure from within powerchute software on win xp A little googling showed that there is also a nifty linux util called 'apctest' which we can run on our unraid machine, and with a simple menu option you can change the battery date, and... now my battery time is 90 minutes again (for an idle machine)! I've downloaded it from here: ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/misc/grant/pkgstat/20040716.0710/leftovers-sun4u/usr/pkg/sbin/apctest All you need to do is disable the apcupsd and run this 2015-03-27 21:08:54 apctest 3.14.10 (13 September 2011) slackware Checking configuration ... Attached to driver: usb sharenet.type = Network & ShareUPS Disabled cable.type = USB Cable mode.type = USB UPS Driver Setting up the port ... Doing prep_device() ... You are using a USB cable type, so I'm entering USB test mode Hello, this is the apcupsd Cable Test program. This part of apctest is for testing USB UPSes. Getting UPS capabilities...SUCCESS Please select the function you want to perform. 1) Test kill UPS power 2) Perform self-test 3) Read last self-test result 4) View/Change battery date 5) View manufacturing date 6) View/Change alarm behavior 7) View/Change sensitivity View/Change low transfer voltage 9) View/Change high transfer voltage 10) Perform battery calibration 11) Test alarm 12) View/Change self-test interval Q) Quit Select function number: 4 Current battery date: 09/24/2011 Enter new battery date (MM/DD/YYYY), blank to quit: 03/27/2015 Quote Link to comment
olympia Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Apctest is actually part of the apcupsd plugin, so you don't need to download and install separate package ;-) Quote Link to comment
jowi Posted March 28, 2015 Author Share Posted March 28, 2015 I searched for it in /etc/apcupsd and other places, but could not find it... Quote Link to comment
olympia Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Hmmm. I am using unraid b614b with the latest upcups plugin. Maybe it depends on versions then. Quote Link to comment
jowi Posted March 29, 2015 Author Share Posted March 29, 2015 Ah... found it in some sbin directory... not being a linux guy i have no idea where to look. But you are right, it was there already. Still, i think it is very weird that you have to use a program to reset your battery date You would think the UPS actually calculates the time left based upon load, battery capacity and other measurements... not from some date you can change manually... what a joke. Quote Link to comment
kegler Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 You would think the UPS actually calculates the time left based upon load, battery capacity and other measurements... not from some date you can change manually... what a joke. They are not so out to lunch as you may think. Age of your batteries is a factor when determining available run time. That said, if you abuse your batteries (i.e. completely discharge them on every use, or leave them in a discharged state for an extended period) your battery life will be much shorter. Best practice is to discharge them no more than 50% and recharge them ASAP when power returns. Quote Link to comment
jowi Posted March 29, 2015 Author Share Posted March 29, 2015 Well, the way resetting the battery date changes the runtime from 4 minutes to 90!!! minutes, indicates that the UPS bases its battery runtime calculation upon it almost solely. That can't be good...it should be a factor, not the main reason to base the runtime on. Quote Link to comment
kegler Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Yes there are many factors that affect run time. But APC does not go into the detail required to give a better estimate. The only way they can even tell there was a change of batteries is by you setting a new battery date. And they still will have no idea what condition the batteries are actually in. At best they can measure what battery voltage/current is and what the load voltage/current is. There is no magical dipstick telling them how much power the battery is capable of supplying at any point in time. Have you run a load test? Set up a dummy load (incandescent light bulbs, whatever) to simulate your actual load and test it. The accuracy of most consumer grade UPS units can vary. If you have a voltmeter, clamp amp meter and/or kill-a-watt and know how to use them - do it. If they say you have 90 minutes run time, then your load should be about 70 watts. Is it? http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=Br900 The numbers in their chart are they expect with a new, fully charged battery. YMMV. Quote Link to comment
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