Superorb Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Ripped from SD. $35 per TB http://www.ebay.com/itm/WD-4TB-WD-Red-SATA-3-5-Internal-HDD-WD40EFRX/261493120971? Quote Link to comment
CrashnBrn Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 This was a great deal. Picked up a couple. Hopefully it's well packaged when shipped. Quote Link to comment
grandprix Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Been a member since 2013, only ~1800 feedback, but was selling 1400 hard drives for super cheap. Personally, I was just concerned whether or not I would get it/them. ~$182,000 in sales with that one auction, hoping all goes well for the buyers. I wasn't man enough to try it. <grin> Quote Link to comment
SSD Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Been a member since 2013, only ~1800 feedback, but was selling 1400 hard drives for super cheap. Personally, I was just concerned whether or not I would get it/them. ~$182,000 in sales with that one auction, hoping all goes well for the buyers. I wasn't man enough to try it. <grin> Cheap but not super cheap. I've gotten 4T for as little as $129. And this is not from a store - so if you get a defective one I'm not sure you get an easy replacement like with Newegg or B&H. You might be shipping back to WD to get a refurb. BTW, B&H is my new fav for hard disks. Their prices are often a few dollars cheaper than Newegg or Amazon, and I like to support the smaller guys to try to encourage the competition. They have no restocking fees like Newegg from what I can see. They have the 5T Seagate external for $196. A little more per T than 4Ts, but hey the extra density is worth a few extra bucks to me. Hoping I don't get a dud - which is the risk with an external, but bit for one to try it out. (I have a RAID card for parity and with 2 3T drives in there I can create a 5T parity from them.) Hoping Seagate starts selling the 5T internals soon. Any advice on testing out a USB3 external drive before cracking it open? I'm not even certain I'll be able to see the smart reports. Quote Link to comment
BobPhoenix Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Well my way to preclear a USB3.0 external sounds like it would work but when I tried it the drive always overheated before the preclear would finish. My method: Setup Virtual Box on a Windows box that had USB3.0 port. RDM the drive to an unRAID VM and run the preclear script on it. I got speeds about 70MB/s (when it started not the average) so substantially slower. But it would have been acceptable to me if it had finished. Problem was the drive got into the high 50s and the preclear failed. It is possible it wasn't the temperature that caused preclear to fail but that high a temp wasn't good anyway and is what I attribute the failure to. Quote Link to comment
CrashnBrn Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 The drives shipped out today! Hopefully well packaged. Ground shipping coming from the East coast to the West coast. Quote Link to comment
grandprix Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 The drives shipped out today! Hopefully well packaged. Ground shipping coming from the East coast to the West coast. Excellent. Really hoping for a great transaction for your sake and, well, to know to put this seller as a favorite to keep an eye out for future goodies. Quote Link to comment
vger Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Got my two today. In an 11"x9"x7" box, drives loose with 13 ( 8"x4") air pouches, only one with air in it. Anti Static bags pretty dinged up over circuit boards. Not a good sign. Can't check them out until tomorrow. Fingers crossed! Quote Link to comment
CrashnBrn Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Got my two today. In an 11"x9"x7" box, drives loose with 13 ( 8"x4") air pouches, only one with air in it. Anti Static bags pretty dinged up over circuit boards. Not a good sign. Can't check them out until tomorrow. Fingers crossed! Let us know. There are some pics from someone who linked to here from Reddit (http://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/2807jl/this_is_the_worst_packaging_ive_ever_seen_for/) It does not look good, I can't imagine what shipping to the west coast is going to look like. That shipping would warrant a bad review on ebay, and hopefully the drives won't be DOA. Quote Link to comment
BobPhoenix Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 If the packaging on the 3 I got looks like that (get them Monday) you can be sure I WILL give them a bad review. Quote Link to comment
CrashnBrn Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Looks like people are returning them, and the seller is paying for the shipping back. As noted in the SD thread I wouldn't ask for a replacement as you don't know if they will just re-package someones returned drives. http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/121992/ebay---4tb-western-digital-wd-red-sata-3.5-internal-hard-drive?page=11#comments Edit: I should note I noticed that there were some reviews about the drives in his feedback and they went away so I'm guessing people are returning or opening disputes which I think would remove the ebay feedback. Quote Link to comment
Superorb Posted June 13, 2014 Author Share Posted June 13, 2014 Hopefully the company learns this expensive lesson. I'd give them NFB anyways, there's no excuse for that horrible packing job. Quote Link to comment
BobPhoenix Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Maybe I was just lucky but my 3 drives arrived today and they are fine - so far at least. I would have preferred that they be individually wrapped and then packed in the box but it was adequate. It was packed with bubble wrap but the bubbles were about 2 inch square and the two drives on the bottom were wrapped up on all sides with it. The third drive was wrapped by itself. If they had tapped up the wrapping I would have felt better but none of the bubbles were popped so UPS may have been kind to me as well - although the box did look slightly crushed so it did get SOME shipping abuse by UPS but maybe not a lot. Just started a 3 cycle preclear on them so Tuesday night to Wednesday I should know if they are OK. Quote Link to comment
CrashnBrn Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Maybe I was just lucky but my 3 drives arrived today and they are fine - so far at least. I would have preferred that they be individually wrapped and then packed in the box but it was adequate. It was packed with bubble wrap but the bubbles were about 2 inch square and the two drives on the bottom were wrapped up on all sides with it. The third drive was wrapped by itself. If they had tapped up the wrapping I would have felt better but none of the bubbles were popped so UPS may have been kind to me as well - although the box did look slightly crushed so it did get SOME shipping abuse by UPS but maybe not a lot. Just started a 3 cycle preclear on them so Tuesday night to Wednesday I should know if they are OK. Thanks for the update. Keep us posted. Quote Link to comment
grandprix Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Whenever I ship, I always assume this will happen: Quote Link to comment
Superorb Posted June 14, 2014 Author Share Posted June 14, 2014 Hahaha, so do I. Ace Ventura is one of my favorite movies. Quote Link to comment
CrashnBrn Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Just got my drives, the box was pretty beat up. The drives were on top of each other and there are some puncture marks from where they must have rubbed. Some of the bubble wrap was deflated, but the drives don't look as bad as from the images I saw online. Aside from a preclear and running WD tools. Any suggestions on scans to make sure the drives are OK? Quote Link to comment
Superorb Posted June 17, 2014 Author Share Posted June 17, 2014 Just got my drives, the box was pretty beat up. The drives were on top of each other and there are some puncture marks from where they must have rubbed. Some of the bubble wrap was deflated, but the drives don't look as bad as from the images I saw online. Aside from a preclear and running WD tools. Any suggestions on scans to make sure the drives are OK? I wouldn't trust those drives with any amount of testing. Return them and get your money back, there will be plenty of other deals. Quote Link to comment
CrashnBrn Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Just got my drives, the box was pretty beat up. The drives were on top of each other and there are some puncture marks from where they must have rubbed. Some of the bubble wrap was deflated, but the drives don't look as bad as from the images I saw online. Aside from a preclear and running WD tools. Any suggestions on scans to make sure the drives are OK? I wouldn't trust those drives with any amount of testing. Return them and get your money back, there will be plenty of other deals. Yea that's what I'm starting to think. Quote Link to comment
Superorb Posted June 17, 2014 Author Share Posted June 17, 2014 Yea that's what I'm starting to think. I've been seeing (and posting) deals for 4TB drives for $150 or less quite frequently lately, once per week or so. Quote Link to comment
CrashnBrn Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Yea that's what I'm starting to think. I've been seeing (and posting) deals for 4TB drives for $150 or less quite frequently lately, once per week or so. I'm going to go that direction. I contacted them for a refund, and for them to pay for the return shipping. Then the next deal from B&H, Amazon, or Newegg I'm going to jump on. Quote Link to comment
BobPhoenix Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 I will see what my drives are like tonight. The three cycle preclear should have finished by now and the last time I got smart reports on them they were fine. My packaging was also fine when I got it. The packaging gods must have been smiling on me. Yep they were smiling on me. Here are the final smart reports after 3 cycles on the 3 drives I got: Drive1: Disk: /dev/sda smartctl 5.40 2010-10-16 r3189 [i486-slackware-linux-gnu] (local build) Copyright (C) 2002-10 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === Device Model: WDC WD40EFRX-68WT0N0 Serial Number: WD-WCC4E1854922 Firmware Version: 80.00A80 User Capacity: 4,000,787,030,016 bytes Device is: Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall] ATA Version is: 9 ATA Standard is: Exact ATA specification draft version not indicated Local Time is: Tue Jun 17 05:59:38 2014 CDT SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability. SMART support is: Enabled === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED General SMART Values: Offline data collection status: (0x00) Offline data collection activity was never started. Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled. Self-test execution status: ( 0) The previous self-test routine completed without error or no self-test has ever been run. Total time to complete Offline data collection: (53280) seconds. Offline data collection capabilities: (0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate. Auto Offline data collection on/off support. Suspend Offline collection upon new command. Offline surface scan supported. Self-test supported. Conveyance Self-test supported. Selective Self-test supported. SMART capabilities: (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering power-saving mode. Supports SMART auto save timer. Error logging capability: (0x01) Error logging supported. General Purpose Logging supported. Short self-test routine recommended polling time: ( 2) minutes. Extended self-test routine recommended polling time: ( 255) minutes. Conveyance self-test routine recommended polling time: ( 5) minutes. SCT capabilities: (0x703d) SCT Status supported. SCT Error Recovery Control supported. SCT Feature Control supported. SCT Data Table supported. SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x002f 200 200 051 Pre-fail Always - 0 3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0027 100 253 021 Pre-fail Always - 0 4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 2 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 200 200 140 Pre-fail Always - 0 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x002e 100 253 000 Old_age Always - 0 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 81 10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0032 100 253 000 Old_age Always - 0 11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0032 100 253 000 Old_age Always - 0 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 2 192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 1 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 4 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 125 121 000 Old_age Always - 27 196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0030 100 253 000 Old_age Offline - 0 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate 0x0008 100 253 000 Old_age Offline - 0 SMART Error Log Version: 1 No Errors Logged SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1 No self-tests have been logged. [To run self-tests, use: smartctl -t] SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1 SPAN MIN_LBA MAX_LBA CURRENT_TEST_STATUS 1 0 0 Not_testing 2 0 0 Not_testing 3 0 0 Not_testing 4 0 0 Not_testing 5 0 0 Not_testing Selective self-test flags (0x0): After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk. If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay. Drive2: Disk: /dev/sdc smartctl 5.40 2010-10-16 r3189 [i486-slackware-linux-gnu] (local build) Copyright (C) 2002-10 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === Device Model: WDC WD40EFRX-68WT0N0 Serial Number: WD-WCC4E1858486 Firmware Version: 80.00A80 User Capacity: 4,000,787,030,016 bytes Device is: Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall] ATA Version is: 9 ATA Standard is: Exact ATA specification draft version not indicated Local Time is: Tue Jun 17 04:50:08 2014 CDT SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability. SMART support is: Enabled === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED General SMART Values: Offline data collection status: (0x00) Offline data collection activity was never started. Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled. Self-test execution status: ( 0) The previous self-test routine completed without error or no self-test has ever been run. Total time to complete Offline data collection: (51060) seconds. Offline data collection capabilities: (0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate. Auto Offline data collection on/off support. Suspend Offline collection upon new command. Offline surface scan supported. Self-test supported. Conveyance Self-test supported. Selective Self-test supported. SMART capabilities: (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering power-saving mode. Supports SMART auto save timer. Error logging capability: (0x01) Error logging supported. General Purpose Logging supported. Short self-test routine recommended polling time: ( 2) minutes. Extended self-test routine recommended polling time: ( 255) minutes. Conveyance self-test routine recommended polling time: ( 5) minutes. SCT capabilities: (0x703d) SCT Status supported. SCT Error Recovery Control supported. SCT Feature Control supported. SCT Data Table supported. SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x002f 200 200 051 Pre-fail Always - 0 3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0027 100 253 021 Pre-fail Always - 0 4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 2 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 200 200 140 Pre-fail Always - 0 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x002e 100 253 000 Old_age Always - 0 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 80 10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0032 100 253 000 Old_age Always - 0 11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0032 100 253 000 Old_age Always - 0 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 2 192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 1 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 4 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 124 121 000 Old_age Always - 28 196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0030 100 253 000 Old_age Offline - 0 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate 0x0008 100 253 000 Old_age Offline - 0 SMART Error Log Version: 1 No Errors Logged SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1 No self-tests have been logged. [To run self-tests, use: smartctl -t] SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1 SPAN MIN_LBA MAX_LBA CURRENT_TEST_STATUS 1 0 0 Not_testing 2 0 0 Not_testing 3 0 0 Not_testing 4 0 0 Not_testing 5 0 0 Not_testing Selective self-test flags (0x0): After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk. If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay. Drive 3: Disk: /dev/sdb smartctl 5.40 2010-10-16 r3189 [i486-slackware-linux-gnu] (local build) Copyright (C) 2002-10 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === Device Model: WDC WD40EFRX-68WT0N0 Serial Number: WD-WCC4E1858490 Firmware Version: 80.00A80 User Capacity: 4,000,787,030,016 bytes Device is: Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall] ATA Version is: 9 ATA Standard is: Exact ATA specification draft version not indicated Local Time is: Tue Jun 17 05:31:50 2014 CDT SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability. SMART support is: Enabled === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED General SMART Values: Offline data collection status: (0x00) Offline data collection activity was never started. Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled. Self-test execution status: ( 0) The previous self-test routine completed without error or no self-test has ever been run. Total time to complete Offline data collection: (52680) seconds. Offline data collection capabilities: (0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate. Auto Offline data collection on/off support. Suspend Offline collection upon new command. Offline surface scan supported. Self-test supported. Conveyance Self-test supported. Selective Self-test supported. SMART capabilities: (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering power-saving mode. Supports SMART auto save timer. Error logging capability: (0x01) Error logging supported. General Purpose Logging supported. Short self-test routine recommended polling time: ( 2) minutes. Extended self-test routine recommended polling time: ( 255) minutes. Conveyance self-test routine recommended polling time: ( 5) minutes. SCT capabilities: (0x703d) SCT Status supported. SCT Error Recovery Control supported. SCT Feature Control supported. SCT Data Table supported. SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x002f 200 200 051 Pre-fail Always - 0 3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0027 100 253 021 Pre-fail Always - 0 4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 2 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 200 200 140 Pre-fail Always - 0 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x002e 100 253 000 Old_age Always - 0 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 81 10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0032 100 253 000 Old_age Always - 0 11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0032 100 253 000 Old_age Always - 0 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 2 192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 1 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 4 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 125 120 000 Old_age Always - 27 196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0030 100 253 000 Old_age Offline - 0 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0 200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate 0x0008 100 253 000 Old_age Offline - 0 SMART Error Log Version: 1 No Errors Logged SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1 No self-tests have been logged. [To run self-tests, use: smartctl -t] SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1 SPAN MIN_LBA MAX_LBA CURRENT_TEST_STATUS 1 0 0 Not_testing 2 0 0 Not_testing 3 0 0 Not_testing 4 0 0 Not_testing 5 0 0 Not_testing Selective self-test flags (0x0): After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk. If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay. Quote Link to comment
CrashnBrn Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Last update from me on this subject. The seller was very nice and professional in our exchanges and paid for the return shipping back. Quote Link to comment
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