Chris Pollard Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Would also much rather use Xen since I have that working and I'm not tied to other people, I can just use standard distributions of the software I use. Quote Link to comment
dalben Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Simple for me. Docker is plugins on steroids. VMs add new capabilities and extends unraid beyond Soho Nas appliance. At the moment all I need is a Nas with plugins. Docker is all I need for now. Quote Link to comment
dlandon Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Would also much rather use Xen since I have that working and I'm not tied to other people, I can just use standard distributions of the software I use. +1 if Xen goes away in the 6.0 release, I'll stay on Beta 5. I do not want to move my Debian Xen VM to KVM or build a new KVM from scratch. I do not want to move the VM apps (OwnCloud, LMS, AirPlay, my own website, etc) to Dockers. The Debian VM I am running on 6b5 is working perfectly and I can keep it updated very easily for security fixes with "apt-get upgrade". OwnCloud and my website in the Debian VM are exposed to the Internet so security updates are important. The process of updating multiple Dockers to keep security fixes current is not my idea of a good use of my time. When 6b5 was released, I wasn't too excited about VMs and didn't really see the value. I loaded IronicBadger's OwnCloud Debian VM just to see what it could do and found out that OwnCloud could be a real benefit to my business. We now use it for centralized contacts, calendars, and collection of pictures from field smart phones. I own a Handyman business and the Craftsmen in the field can see their scheduled work, look at the job pictures taken by the Estimator before they go to the job, and can take pictures on the job that are sent automatically to the OwnCloud server. This technology has taken us to a new level of productivity. Because of the ease of updating the Debian VM, maintenance for me is a breeze. Quote Link to comment
jumperalex Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Yeah I'd prefer to stick with Xen myself too, but I'm not willing to forgo other unraid updates just for the sake of Xen. If forced to I'll move to KVM if that is the VM environment that will get the most support from Limetech. Hopefully the Xen problems of beta 6 get fixed in beta 7. If not, I'll start anew. Quote Link to comment
archedraft Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 FWIW, I've messed with XEN and KVM now and while XEN's config file is much simpler, a KVM.xml is still do-able. If unRAID gets a built in VM manager like "Virt-Manager" it will be super easy for just about anyone to build a VM. Quote Link to comment
binhex Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 my experience with xen has not been 100% happy to be honest, i (and others) had issues with complete crash and halt whilst running b4 and b5 (reported to jonp and tom) , i then made the bold move of moving to b6 and switched to kvm (windows vm only) and have to say its been rock solid since, i have no idea if xen is more stable in b6 but kvm def is working very well for me. Quote Link to comment
heffe2001 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 I was using Xen for two VM's before b6 came out (one for MediaBrowser under fedora, another for Plex under fedora), but switched to docker. My unraid box isn't directly exposed to the 'net, so that aspect of security is a non-issue for me. Now that I've switched to docker, I'm running: couchpotato, deluge, headphones, lazylibrarian, maraschino (for plex), mediabrowser, nzbdrone, nzbget, PlexMediaServer, and two others (sickbeard and sickrage), but they aren't always running as I've switched over to nzbdrone. The one thing I've not got running under a docker is the mediabrainz server. I'm currently running it in a vmware vm on my windows box. If I can muddle through the complicated setup of it on the docker version, I'll migrate it to the unraid box as well. There's way less of a space requirement for a docker of an app than a full vm for each (could always run most of that on a single vm install, but it defeats my purpose of having each app in it's own separate space/distro). The only thing I'm running into is some of my docker'ed apps use quite a bit of CPU time, so it's looking like a CPU upgrade is in my near future... Quote Link to comment
jbartlett Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 I've got a few demanding apps running under Docker and windows VM's under KVM - everything is rock solid and haven't had to reboot unless I wanted to reboot, not true with Xen. Quote Link to comment
Owel Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Hi Guys! I have a problem/bug with this Unraid version. Firstly I thought that it has something to do with KVM and all the VM stuff. But yesterday i had the error without any VM running, just plain unraid! So what is this error? I don't know. But suddenly Unraid does not respond anymore. So the webgui, ssh, ntfs etc. are all dead. When i press the powerdown button, nothing happens. the only thing is, to do a hard reset Then unraid will boot again, and everything seems back to normal. I'm a computer guy, so i have a kind of knowledge about them. But here i am lost. Also these Info are quite rare... All i was doing, was playing a movie (rapsbmc) and after 70min the movie stopped und unraid was lost I will try to recreate the error and trace a syslog. My system config is: CPU: AMD 5350 Mobo: Asus-AM1M-A RAM: 4GB (2x2GB) SATA: Digitus-DS-30104 DISK:2x 3TB WD Green, 2TB Samsung: CACHE: 200GB FUJITSU Unraid pro 6b6 any more Infos needed? Regards Owel Edit: I did already memtest and prime, no errors so far ... Quote Link to comment
jphipps Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 I have had the same issue several times. I have to unraid servers running, and the one with dockers has never crashed, but my smaller one does occasionally when I copy a large amount of data to the array. I could never really find anything because when it hangs, the screen is black, and upon reboot I don't see any errors on anything... I haven't lost anything other than having to spend 10 hours or so with a parity check. I was hopping the next beta might fix the issue since I can't really pinpoint what is causing the issue. Quote Link to comment
needo Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 I am seeing some weirdness with highwater in the array. In past versions it would fill all the disks to 97% before I added a new one. This time it is filling them to 99%. /dev/md1 2.8T 2.7T 53G 99% /mnt/disk1 /dev/md2 2.8T 2.7T 52G 99% /mnt/disk2 /dev/md3 2.8T 2.7T 94G 97% /mnt/disk3 /dev/md4 2.8T 2.7T 114G 96% /mnt/disk4 /dev/md5 2.8T 2.7T 120G 96% /mnt/disk5 Quote Link to comment
Owel Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 mine is even 100%... root@Tower:~# df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/sda1 503016 95600 407416 20% /boot /dev/md1 2930177100 2900943776 29233324 100% /mnt/disk1 /dev/md2 1953454928 638203768 1315251160 33% /mnt/disk2 /dev/sdc1 195360952 113716332 80569332 59% /mnt/cache shfs 4883632028 3539147544 1344484484 73% /mnt/user0 shfs 5078992980 3652863876 1425053816 72% /mnt/user can this be causing my error? Quote Link to comment
jphipps Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Mine is pretty accurate.. /dev/md1 3906899292 2471883712 1435015580 64% /mnt/disk1 /dev/md2 1953454928 380792264 1572662664 20% /mnt/disk2 /dev/md3 1953454928 379507956 1573946972 20% /mnt/disk3 /dev/md4 1953454928 382863832 1570591096 20% /mnt/disk4 /dev/md5 3906899292 2334560228 1572339064 60% /mnt/disk5 /dev/md6 1953454928 381260860 1572194068 20% /mnt/disk6 /dev/md7 1953454928 378405016 1575049912 20% /mnt/disk7 Do you have a share that has the split level missing? Quote Link to comment
ntrlsur Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 I've been an Unraid user for a little over 2 years. I have fallen in love with V6. Not so much Beta 6.(network bug bit me) I am a Linux System Admin by trade and I am much more comfortable building VMs then using docker containers. One of the main reasons is that I know exactly what packages I want to install for my linux VMs and I am only installing what is needed to make my application run. All of my python based apps run in and Ubuntu LTS VM and just about everything else runs in a CentOS VM. I love the flexibility that the new Xen kernel provides. Quote Link to comment
dtempleton Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Several of us have noted that their unRAID beta hangs when completing the powerdown -r command (part of APCUPSD); the hang comes early in a reboot leaving a "SYSLINUX...." text on the screen and no cursor. Usually, but not always, the server will boot normally if the power button is pressed (more on that later). I'm using a new ASRock AD2550R motherboard and a flash drive purchased from LimeTechnology with unRAID 5.05 on it that was subsequently upgraded to 6b5 and now 6b6, I boot without xen in 6b6. Experiment In addition to failing on the powerdown script I tried the stock 'reboot' command (after unmounting the array) and this hangs too. I used the 'reboot' command for most of the tests below, since the APCUPSD powerdown script was not available. Many of the threads with this kind of issue suggest that the flash might be corrupted. I tried copying all new OS files (except config) and running make_bootable_mac. Reboot still hung at the same place. I shut down the server and disconnected all of the drives. My boot flash failed again. I tried it in all three USB buses on my MB. I tried every setting in BIOS I could find. Still hung. Then I took a brand new Sony flash and ran these trials: unRAID 5.05 downloaded today: boots and 'reboot's fine. unRAID 6b5 downloaded today: boots and 'reboot's fine. unRAID 6b6 downloaded today: boots but hangs on 'reboot'. Again this is on the stock unregistered unRAID, freshly loaded and freshly "make_bootable"ed on a new flash drive. I tried using the stock powerdown script in that stock install but I couldn't figure out the switch than might cause it to reboot instead of just power down. TL/DR: Reboot is broken somewhere between 6b5 and 6b6. Now some other hinkyness: The reboot hang seems to happen if the re-power happens immediately upon depowering. If I shut down the server with a three-second powerbutton push and then immediately push the powerbutton to restart, it (usually) hangs. If I wait as little as 5 seconds to push power, it (usually) boots without hang. This has made me think that a workaround might be possible if the motherboard could delay a few seconds before repowering, but I can't see how to do that, though there are some references to a USB Mass Storage Boot Delay on the web, usually because it makes your reboot too slow. TL/DR: The problem might be corrected by delayed repowering after shutdown. I'm not sure where to find a log of the early boot process; it seems unlikely to be recorded. While most of us have lived with this, it has consequences for unattended servers or for recovery after power failure. I hope that it can be tracked down and killed. Dennis Quote Link to comment
dlandon Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 What version of Powerdown are you using? Look in your log after a reboot and see what version of Powerdown is being installed. The older Powerdown has a problem with 6.0. Quote Link to comment
jonp Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Just wanted to confirm something for those that are wondering, Xen is NOT going away in beta 7. We have it in there. We have tested with it as well and everything works ok for us across 3 different test systems we have. That said, the primary bug in beta 6 I believe with Xen has to do with the xenet skb rides the rocket issue. Network in general has been "unstable" with Xen and there was nothing we could do to fix it. In beta 7's internal testing thus far, we have not run into any Xen networking issues yet, but again, we didn't have them on our test systems with beta 6 either. There was reference to some patches for Xen in the 3.16 kernel which is what we are using for beta 7. Once released, we are looking for feedback from folks to let us know if the issues persist or if they've improved. Thanks everyone...back to work on beta 7... Quote Link to comment
dtempleton Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 What version of Powerdown are you using? Look in your log after a reboot and see what version of Powerdown is being installed. The older Powerdown has a problem with 6.0. I updated Powerdown with the beta. Aug 17 11:20:08 Tower logger: Executing install script for apcupsd-3.14.10-x86_64-1_rlw.txz. Aug 17 11:20:08 Tower logger: Package apcupsd-3.14.10-x86_64-1_rlw.txz installed. Aug 17 11:20:08 Tower logger: = Aug 17 11:20:08 Tower logger: plugin: skipping: /boot/packages/powerdown-2.06-noarch-unRAID.tgz already exists Aug 17 11:20:08 Tower logger: plugin: running: /boot/packages/powerdown-2.06-noarch-unRAID.tgz Seems to be the newest one on github. (paranthetically, is this calling for a reinstall of apcupsd on every boot?) Remember too that the issue seems to be with reboot (too?). Not sure how Powerdown calls a shutdown/reboot. Thanks D Quote Link to comment
trurl Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 ...(paranthetically, is this calling for a reinstall of apcupsd on every boot?)... The unRAID OS is unpacked into RAMfs from bzroot. Everything that is not in that archive is reinstalled on every boot. Quote Link to comment
dlandon Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Just wanted to confirm something for those that are wondering, Xen is NOT going away in beta 7. We have it in there. We have tested with it as well and everything works ok for us across 3 different test systems we have. That said, the primary bug in beta 6 I believe with Xen has to do with the xenet skb rides the rocket issue. Network in general has been "unstable" with Xen and there was nothing we could do to fix it. In beta 7's internal testing thus far, we have not run into any Xen networking issues yet, but again, we didn't have them on our test systems with beta 6 either. There was reference to some patches for Xen in the 3.16 kernel which is what we are using for beta 7. Once released, we are looking for feedback from folks to let us know if the issues persist or if they've improved. Thanks everyone...back to work on beta 7... Thank you for the update. I had the network issue pretty quickly in b6 when I had heavy network traffic to my Owncloud Debian VM. I'll give it a go once it is released Quote Link to comment
PeterB Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Thank you for the update. I had the network issue pretty quickly in b6 when I had heavy network traffic to my Owncloud Debian VM. I'll give it a go once it is released Same here - the network on my Xen ArchVM fails within five minutes of startup when running b6. I'm looking forward to testing with b7! Quote Link to comment
Benoire Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 So this network issue only affects those that run VMs on their unRAID host? If I run unRAID simply as unRAID and don't use Xen then networking is fine? Quote Link to comment
PeterB Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 So this network issue only affects those that run VMs on their unRAID host? If I run unRAID simply as unRAID and don't use Xen then networking is fine? That is what I understand. I believe that those who have moved their VMs to KVM do not experience problems. Quote Link to comment
Benoire Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 So this network issue only affects those that run VMs on their unRAID host? If I run unRAID simply as unRAID and don't use Xen then networking is fine? That is what I understand. I believe that those who have moved their VMs to KVM do not experience problems. Excellent. I use Xenserver as my actual VM hosts but I'm keen to try more of v6 but didn't want it to compromise the network to unRAID. Quote Link to comment
dalben Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 I see the same issue. I just hopped between 6.06 and the latest 5. 6.06 hangs after a reboot. I need to power cycle. Quote Link to comment
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