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Offline Superorb

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Re: Potential Samsung F4 issues.
« Reply #180 on: March 11, 2011, 08:32:03 PM »
No problem, glad I could help :)

I went through 2 USB drives before I found one that would boot for some reason. I tried different slots too but that didn't help.

I'm waiting for these to be $70 again or even $60 like they were once.

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Re: Potential Samsung F4 issues.
« Reply #181 on: March 13, 2011, 03:56:12 PM »
Can you upgrade the firmware from a windows machine? I dont have my server yet and want to get my drives ready first!!

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Re: Potential Samsung F4 issues.
« Reply #182 on: March 13, 2011, 03:58:14 PM »
Can you upgrade the firmware from a windows machine? I dont have my server yet and want to get my drives ready first!!

That's exactly what I did since my server has no monitor.

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Re: Potential Samsung F4 issues.
« Reply #183 on: March 13, 2011, 08:46:36 PM »
You don't boot into the OS, so any PC will work, even ones with no hard drives or no OS's.

Can you upgrade the firmware from a windows machine? I dont have my server yet and want to get my drives ready first!!

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Re: Potential Samsung F4 issues.
« Reply #184 on: March 16, 2011, 10:57:59 AM »
Hi!

I have bought several HD204UI. I've read in other forums that the 2011 produced HD204UI (mine are from 2011.02) have the new firm/patch installed by Samsung. Is it true? If it's true I need only to preclear them. Hope someone can confirm this point.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Potential Samsung F4 issues.
« Reply #185 on: March 16, 2011, 11:00:13 AM »
Hi!

I have bought several HD204UI. I've read in other forums that the 2011 produced HD204UI (mine are from 2011.02) have the new firm/patch installed by Samsung. Is it true? If it's true I need only to preclear them. Hope someone can confirm this point.

Thanks in advance.

I installed HDDGURU to determine the firmware version of my Samsung disks. I bet there are other programs that can do the same.
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Re: Potential Samsung F4 issues.
« Reply #186 on: March 16, 2011, 11:15:45 AM »
Hi!

I have bought several HD204UI. I've read in other forums that the 2011 produced HD204UI (mine are from 2011.02) have the new firm/patch installed by Samsung. Is it true? If it's true I need only to preclear them. Hope someone can confirm this point.

Thanks in advance.

I installed HDDGURU to determine the firmware version of my Samsung disks. I bet there are other programs that can do the same.

Even still, the patched drives will still show the ...001 firmware since Samsung stupidly left the revision the same. ALL F4 drives should get the JP1 flash to be sure.

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Re: Potential Samsung F4 issues.
« Reply #187 on: March 16, 2011, 11:19:26 AM »

Even still, the patched drives will still show the ...001 firmware since Samsung stupidly left the revision the same. ALL F4 drives should get the JP1 flash to be sure.

Correct. Once the Japanese firmware update was completed, the disk now displays the updated firmware version.
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Re: Potential Samsung F4 issues.
« Reply #188 on: March 16, 2011, 01:50:02 PM »
Attached is Synology's compatibility notes for the HD204UI.

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Re: Potential Samsung F4 issues.
« Reply #189 on: March 20, 2011, 12:03:44 PM »
Are the Samsung drives safe as long as you apply the firmware?

I just had a drive go bad and I want to get one ASAP and Microcenter has the samsungs for 70 bucks, http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0349903

However, if there are issues with them, then obviously I dont want to put it in my system.  Thanks

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Re: Potential Samsung F4 issues.
« Reply #190 on: April 11, 2011, 05:49:20 AM »
Hello!

I've recently bought Samsung 2TB HD204UI manufactured in 2011 with serial number different than those listed on Synology wiki, so it should be OK. I know that everyone here recommends flashing this drive with Japanese firmware, but I don't believe messing with firmware when it's not necessarily is a good idea. But to be sure I would like to try to reproduce this bug using instructions found on this webpage: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/smartmontools/wiki/SamsungF4EGBadBlocks. I already have grml 2010.12 Live USB, and don't mind getting my hands dirty with command line, although I have no idea how to check NCQ and disk write cache is enabled on my system - any ideas?
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Re: Potential Samsung F4 issues.
« Reply #191 on: April 11, 2011, 07:10:30 AM »
^^ You never told us what operating system you're on ;)

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Re: Potential Samsung F4 issues.
« Reply #192 on: May 06, 2011, 06:53:27 AM »
Bought one of these Samsung HD204UI using the Newegg deal manufactured in 2011. On the disc label I found 2011/01 and I interpreted that as the manufacturing date. Nowhere else did I see anything that looked like a manufacturing date nor did unMenu or the Unraid main menu tell me anything about date of manufacturing. This is part of what unMenu reported:

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SMART status Info for /dev/sdi

smartctl 5.39.1 2010-01-28 r3054 [i486-slackware-linux-gnu] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-10 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Device Model:     SAMSUNG HD204UI
Serial Number:    S2H7J1CB121131
Firmware Version: 1AQ10001
User Capacity:    2,000,398,934,016 bytes
Device is:        Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
ATA Version is:   8
ATA Standard is:  ATA-8-ACS revision 6
Local Time is:    Wed May  4 20:56:48 2011 EDT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

Installed it, unplugged the power from my other 8 drives of which 4 were connected to the mobo & 4 were connected to the Adaptec 1430sa controller. Created a bootable USB key using Hiren's Boot CD and copied the Firm Ware flash to the USB drive. Booted the machine and ran the FW flash. It found the 4 HD203WI drives connected to the Adaptec controller and complained that this patch is not for those drives. It then tried to apply the patch to the HD204UI but came back very quickly with no warning messages or Firm Ware was successfully flashed or any error message. Ran the Firm Ware flash again, same results quick exit from the flash program.

I interpreted that as Firm Ware was patched and up to date. I didn't want to go through the hassle and actually test the drive with the condition that causes the silent corruption and thus proceeded with the preclear, hope this will not come back and bite me in the you know what. It took almost 26 hours and this is what preClear reported:

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================================================================== 1.9
=                unRAID server Pre-Clear disk /dev/sdi
=               cycle 1 of 1, partition start on sector 63
= Disk Pre-Clear-Read completed                                 DONE
= Step 1 of 10 - Copying zeros to first 2048k bytes             DONE
= Step 2 of 10 - Copying zeros to remainder of disk to clear it DONE
= Step 3 of 10 - Disk is now cleared from MBR onward.           DONE
= Step 4 of 10 - Clearing MBR bytes for partition 2,3 & 4       DONE
= Step 5 of 10 - Clearing MBR code area                         DONE
= Step 6 of 10 - Setting MBR signature bytes                    DONE
= Step 7 of 10 - Setting partition 1 to precleared state        DONE
= Step 8 of 10 - Notifying kernel we changed the partitioning   DONE
= Step 9 of 10 - Creating the /dev/disk/by* entries             DONE
= Step 10 of 10 - Verifying if the MBR is cleared.              DONE
= Disk Post-Clear-Read completed                                DONE
Disk Temperature: 28C, Elapsed Time:  25:45:21
========================================================================1.9
==  SAMSUNG HD204UI    S2H7J1CB121131
== Disk /dev/sdi has been successfully precleared
== with a starting sector of 63
============================================================================
** Changed attributes in files: /tmp/smart_start_sdi  /tmp/smart_finish_sdi
                ATTRIBUTE   NEW_VAL OLD_VAL FAILURE_THRESHOLD STATUS      RAW_VALUE
      Raw_Read_Error_Rate =   100     252           51        ok          0
   Hardware_ECC_Recovered =   100     252            0        ok          0
    Multi_Zone_Error_Rate =   100     252            0        ok          0
 No SMART attributes are FAILING_NOW

 0 sectors were pending re-allocation before the start of the preclear.
 0 sectors were pending re-allocation after pre-read in cycle 1 of 1.
 0 sectors were pending re-allocation after zero of disk in cycle 1 of 1.
 0 sectors are pending re-allocation at the end of the preclear,
    the number of sectors pending re-allocation did not change.
 0 sectors had been re-allocated before the start of the preclear.
 0 sectors are re-allocated at the end of the preclear,
    the number of sectors re-allocated did not change.
root@Tower:/boot/Scripts#

Followed the instructions on page 1 for preClear to add the drive to the array. So far so good and all seems well in the land of UnRaid with a Samsung F4 drive.

One final word, a big thanks to Joe & Tom for making working with this product a delight, especially for those who are Linux noobs like me.
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Re: Potential Samsung F4 issues.
« Reply #193 on: May 06, 2011, 09:40:37 AM »
^^ Did you use the JP1 firmware? You should have, because it's the only way to know if the firmware was successfully flashed.

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« Reply #194 on: May 09, 2011, 02:07:01 PM »
I did not use the JP firmware. Afteer reading through this thread I endorse some of the opinions expressed such as:
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It is not for our drives (it is supposedly for the drives sent to Japanese market, hence /JP in the model number). I agree that Samsung is irresponsible regarding that issue (and other issues).

I emailed Samsung again and this time got a better response (don't know how much i trust it though after seeing my previous reply):

"The firmware patch for HD204UI/JP1 is for Japan made models. However it still fixes the problem on every other model as well. Your drives should be fine you need not to worry."

Double ouch...

So they released a patch that applies itself to drives other than intended?   Isn't that comforting?   Or is it on purpose? to allow them to skirt release agreements with US vendors?

Joe L.
It just doesn't sound correct to issue two different flash programs for different drives distributed in different localities and then Samsung is telling me it doesn't matter. Someone is having their thumbs where should not be. But I guess that this is history since the Samsung HDD division is no more and has been sold. I take my chances with using the drive as is and keep a closer look on it. When 3 TB drives are supported the drive is history anyhow.
« Last Edit: May 09, 2011, 02:20:50 PM by One2go »